Daniel Dunnom, a bee keeper, tropical fruit farmer, and UH Hilo alumni, shares the inside scoop of what life is like as a bee keeper and how he copes with the challenges of day to day farm operations, including a meditation he uses called "Bee Breath".
Brought to you by University of Hawaii College of Tropical Ag. and Human Resources (CTAHR), and the Seeds of Well-being (SOW) Project. This podcast is supported by the Farm and Ranch Stress Assistance Network (FRSAN) grant from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, National Institute of Food and Agriculture and Hawaii Department of Agriculture.
To connect with Daniel for partnerships or to purchase his honey, email him at danieldunnom at gmail dot com
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Daniel Dunnom, a bee keeper, tropical fruit farmer, and UH Hilo alumni, shares the inside scoop of what life is like as a bee keeper and how he copes with the challenges of day to day farm operations, including a meditation he uses called "Bee Breath".
Brought to you by University of Hawaii College of Tropical Ag. and Human Resources (CTAHR), and the Seeds of Well-being (SOW) Project. This podcast is supported by the Farm and Ranch Stress Assistance Network (FRSAN) grant from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, National Institute of Food and Agriculture and Hawaii Department of Agriculture.
To connect with Daniel for partnerships or to purchase his honey, email him at danieldunnom at gmail dot com
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Alexis Kerver:Joining us today on Voices from the Field is Daniel Dunnom. Aloha Daniel, Welcome. How are you doing?
Daniel Dunnom:Aloha thanks for having me
Alexis Kerver:Yeah, of course. Thanks for being here today. We're excited to hear from you and your experience in the field. Why don't you go ahead and start with telling us a little bit about who you are and what you do.
Daniel Dunnom:My name is Daniel Dunnom. And I am a tropical fruit farmer and Beekeeper. I live in Puna, in the Hawaiian Paradise, Park subdivision, and I grow mangoes and lychee and coconuts is my three main food crops and then and then I am also a beekeeper, and I produce a lot of honey. And I'm UH Hilo alumni, I went for tropical plant science and agroecology and then I also picked up beekeeping while I was at the college and also got my certificate and beekeeping so Iʻve been using those skills in the field, and I've made a business. And I've been successful in business like bootstrapping it, and doing so good so far.
Alexis Kerver:That's wonderful. And tell us a little bit more about your business.
Daniel Dunnom:I started in 2018. Right, right before right before the big 2018 eruption. And yeah, I started out with like a challenge right off the bat, the the we had a little bit of ash fall and wiped out my whole lychee crop and. Right. And then yeah, I've dealt with, you know, pandemic and, you know, crippling recession and all that sense. And I'm still here. So
Alexis Kerver:Let's talk a little bit about that. You know, so part of our project seeds of well being is we're looking at how can we better respond to the natural stresses and the anticipated stresses really of life and farming. So when you experienced that with your lychee crops, what was one of the first things that you did to respond to that? Honestly...
Daniel Dunnom:Unless it's like[] or that you know, you're just kind of in a state of shock anyway because like, you know, impending doom you know, the lava might come your way and you know, it was just kind of you know, you gotta I meditate a lot and I have a good you know, stretching routine and like, I try to just stay calm and like prepared to handle any any kind of situations and then a lot of it has to do with like, positive self talk like in the face of like unsurmountable circumstances like one of the questions I like to ask myself is like, when I'm faced like with one of those situations is like, what what would a resilient farmer do? And yeah, and then in that situation, like when the lava was coming, I just you know, I did what I could do it I just got ready for next season, you know, and then I started to branch out into other things I started doing I hadn't had bees yet at my place and I eventually I got bees and you know, some more stuff going in. I got into other things like orchids and you know, just trying to diversify. You know,
Alexis Kerver:It really was a catalyst for you to branch out with your business and your experience and with your beekeeping so that came after the lava flow. And this was really all of your business started after your education at UH Hilo you said you were an alumni with a tropical plant science and agroecology. How did you initially decide that that was the route that you wanted to go versus some of the other You know, working on a farm? What inspired you? Or what made you decided that you wanted to grow your own crops and produce your own food and then bring that into a business? What is that spark for you?
Daniel Dunnom:Right? Um, well, I'd always I'd always had like a, you know, a vegetable garden. And I was like, really into sustainability and like, grow my own food and I just kind of, you know, took a passion of mine and something that I loved and, and turned it into something that I could make money with. And then you know, like, when I first started in agriculture, I heard a lot of "oh your gonna make no money" and this isn't that like,"Oh, you want to be a farmer really?" Like but then, I don't know it was just like, well, you know, if I can if I can do something that I love, and it makes me happy, you know? And because you definitely don't You don't you don't do beekeeping to like get rich you know you do it for the love of the bees and the love of the honey and that's important and you know that's your main focus you know even if you don't make a lot of money you're still happy and you're still propelled and but the longer you stick it out the more rewarding it is and you know
Alexis Kerver:sounds like a key component to being a resilient farmer is remembering your why remembering why you do this, what is it that keeps you going? The love of bees and love of honey is a great reason why to keep you motivated with bee farming.
Daniel Dunnom:Right. channeling my inner Tony Robbins, like if you find the the why the how the how is easy. So, yeah, that's a good question to ask, like, Why Why am I even doing this? You know?
Alexis Kerver:And that can be a daunting question for some people, because sometimes we just get so caught up in the day to day of, of living that, you know, sometimes we can get drifted off from that intention from that core reason that keeps us motivated. And we're seeing such high levels of stress and depression amongst our farmers in Hawaii. However, we also see such a deeply rooted reason for why that intimate relationship and connection to the land. So what is what are some of our issues? What do you think is happening here? With that disconnect, With overall well being, and the operations of farming for farmers here in Hawaii?
Daniel Dunnom:Um, well, it's, it's Wow, that's like, That's a deep question. The disconnect, I think a lot of it is due there's a there's a lot of people out out there that understand and they support local agriculture and they get it, but there's, there's always that thing, consumer preference, you know, and a lot of times like, people have to be like, educated on especially like with with beekeeping and stuff like that, like, with the honey. I like to try to bridge that gap by bringing like an observation hive to the market and a lot of times that's like, why, you know, people have never seen inside a beehive and you know they don't necessarily know like all the great benefits of of honey or you know eaten like fruits and things like that so like a little you know sciency kind of little lesson on bees or whatever it is like every week I try to have like a little different something something to teach the kids
Alexis Kerver:And you do this at markets with kids, or do you go to schools?
Daniel Dunnom:I've gotten invited a couple of teachers have invited me and I've done the the USDA career day up at the Komohana extension. And yeah, I've I've done a lot of outreach for like beekeeping in the community and stuff and but yeah, mostly I just hit the markets and I go to quite a few different ones mostly Makuʻu market but some other smaller ones as well. I've been doing the volcano night market and sometimes I make it down to Kalapana.
Alexis Kerver:On a sidenote Have you ever considered getting into not be extermination... What is it called when bees are stuck inside your walls? And you have to call someone to remove them?
Daniel Dunnom:Bee removals. Oh yeah. I do quite a bit of those. And yeah. Yeah, it's kinda it's kind of stressful, you know, because you get you get people that are freaking out because they got bees in their house. And usually, oh, they're like, oh, they just started coming in, you know, it'd be really easy though. They just started coming in and then they got like, a whole wall or ceiling full of them. And then he got to keep them calm. And then they like, you know, they expect you to drop everything. You know, some sometimes take like a week long, you know, it's not easy. Just to like, get them out. Right? Open the wall and you know, then a lot of times people like, oh, no, don't cut my wall. It's like, yeah, it's a real Yeah. It's a real I don't know, touchy situation.
Alexis Kerver:When you do the removals, do you put the folks in suits? Or are, you know, are they exposed? Because you're wearing a suit to be protected?
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah, yeah. One time one time I did that, like the lady was like, really excited because her it was just a real simple one. It was like a swarm that had landed in a tree and it was on a branch and it was like a fairly easy removal. And the lady was like, really into it. And yeah, so I got her in a suit, Iʻm going to cut the branch. And like just this lady's commentary, like they went in the box just fine. And like I'm getting them scooped in there and like this lady just to like I forget what she said but all of a sudden the bees where like "uh uh" and theʻyre like flying away and I'm like, trying to smoke and like get back in the box, I'm not gonna make this mistake again. You know, it's it's kind of like you know, you're catching the swarm you gotta just you gotta make the right moves and you know real quiet and youʻll get them in there.
Alexis Kerver:And they're really sensitive to your energy right? So you have to be calm and collected when you do this.
Daniel Dunnom:Right? Yeah, it does, so that lady I forget what she said but they're like nope, and just started flying out and I'm puttin the lid on like, hey! yeah, that's like in there. Like I try to, to get them in one area, you know, they're not like flying all over the house or, you know, I try to get it so they can still have a functioning house. You know, and keep them out of their way as much as possible to keep people from getting stung and like, you know, teach them how to act around the bees so they're not freaked out. It's usually just like moving slow. Like, you know, a lot of times people start swattin them or like battin them, but like when you move fast, like it alerts the bees like, oh, there might be danger and then if you're swatting them like slapping them they'll like the bees see that and like they assume you're already getting stung. And then it's like, you know, puts out the signal to them to attack you. Best thing to do if like you got a bee buzzing around you that's kind of like checking you out is just to like do the everybody's seen the meme with like Homer Simpson like fading back into the bushes and that that's pretty much it you got to do just kind of like oh I got stung and stuff like ooh freakin out you just kind of like Homer Simpson in the bushes just slowly walk away get away from the hives. most of the time if bees are out and about they're just they're just foraging and you know after buzzing around you they think you're a flower
Alexis Kerver:so take it as a compliment if they come up to greet you.
Daniel Dunnom:Right right. And then another weird thing about these is that they'll recognize your face like my bees you know they're they're pretty comfortable around me and I guess to bee my face to them looks like like a really intricate flower which I always thought was really really amazing
Alexis Kerver:It does kind of look like a flower Oh. So are you a one man show in this operation or do you have folks that work with you or do you have a team
Daniel Dunnom:I'm pretty much a one man show I got a new helper and but I have a I don't have like any like official employees as of yet I'm working on it you know I want to be a job creator but just just doing the best I can with what I what I have available so far but there's there's a lot of people that are interested in bees and will help you out just for like a little you know, some knowledge and this it's it's there's a lot lots of beekeeping so there's a lot of people help you out just to learn
Alexis Kerver:which makes it you know, more realistic for the opportunity to expand when there's that interest even to learn about the practice. So that's exciting. And if you were to expand what are you looking at what is kind of your long term vision if you don't mind sharing?
Daniel Dunnom:I am well like I am really into like the honey from like fruit tree crops and seems like a lot of the beekeepers do not like I mean they're into plants as well but not like like I am so I really get into like the different flows of nectar and pollen and then I have an orchard so I can I can see what the bees are after and what they're going on so yeah, I lost my I lost my train of thought
Alexis Kerver:no worries so that you what you just sent actually reminded me of a question so I'm curious about your integration with the bees and the fruit crops do you have I would assume that you know you utilize your fruit crops to produce different is it flavors is that? How does that work
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah, Like this year, the mangoes bloom first like end of December-January and the mango honey is like you know how mango trees are like really they got that sap and they're like really sticky. Well the honey is almost like that, it's really like thick and like not sappy but it's like real sticky and, and then like the lychee comes on, and the lychee is like real liquidity and really smooth and the nectar is like real plentiful. So like I'll see it where like the mango they'll serve fill in the frames and with the mango and then like the next part will be lychee and you can tell the difference between the two. So a lot of times the mango and the lychee get mixed together
Alexis Kerver:And would you sell that then as mango lychee honey?
Daniel Dunnom:I do tell people like I got a pretty good idea what they're going on but like the bees can go wherever they want. So like I don't necessarily know for sure. And then to label your honey has like a certain variety, like you have to have like a PCR test and those tests are like really expensive. So like you pretty much get a really, really super super no and like, I have a pretty good idea. But I'm not like big enough to be like getting all kinds of tests and stuff like that. I mean, like after years of experience, I can tell like what it looks like in the frame and by the taste. But it's always a little bit different, like, oh, they might have been getting a little bit of this or like, maybe this one has a little bit of coconut in there. So what I tell people is I'm like, you know, it's like, you know, my educated guess. Beekeepers best guess. And that works for most of them, you know, because they always want to hear what you think it is, you know. And then like on the lychee, I would feel pretty confident because it's such like, the bees love it so much. Like they'll choose the lychee over almost any other flower. So that one I can kind of kind of say without like, you know, the definitive PCR test.
Alexis Kerver:And is that do you know that by just by sight and the consistency of what it looks like in the frame, or is there also a distinctive flavor that you notice?
Daniel Dunnom:yeah, so lychee, it won't taste like the fruit per se or at least not right away. But itʻll have like, like, it'll be smooth and then it's not too sweet. The mango is like really super sweet but the lychee is like it's sweet, but it's smooth. It's like really good for tea and then the aftertaste it's like flowery and then at the end it's kind of little fruity, and yeah, so it's got like I always describe it as having like flowery and fruity notes which I have so many fruit trees like my honey always has like a fruity or flowery note, so that's like a pretty consistent thing. Yeah, and then about expanding, Yeah, I definitely. I've talked to some some other farmers that have really huge orchards like 7-800 trees and that's where I'm like, that's kind of where I'm looking to expand to some bigger put my bees at some bigger operations.
Alexis Kerver:Do you have the space to do that on your own land or you would move your bees?
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah, that's like one of the beauties of being a beekeeper is like you don't necessarily have to have the trees yourself you can just put on in areas you know, network and yeah, I've got quite a few yards but like yeah, then again it's like you kind of spread yourself then if you're running to this yard in that yard and like oh what if something happens over here about the question about like motivation like sometimes the bees just like theyʻre going and going and you don't have no choice but to just like keep on keeping up with them you know because they don't they don't stop or nothing and so it's kind of you know, and then when the bees give you had a break when there isnʻt like any pollen or nectar coming on you know, it's definitely the bees keep me motivated for sure. Sometimes it's kind of a struggle trying to keep up with them because they're so so relentless
Alexis Kerver:and so if someone wanted to put a box in their backyard and try to be keep in their backyard is backyard beekeeping you know, something that you can sustain and produce enough honey just for yourself or do you really have to have like a whole system operation?
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah, so I get I get people that you know, come and they they're interested in getting like a beehive. But without any like any like, classes or training about it, like it can be a very like expensive hobby at first because you gotta get all the equipment and then you gotta buy the bees and then you don't put them in a good spot. There's always a chance that the bees just fly away or like you don't know how to like like, identify problems in the hive. Like mites, beetles, or you know, if you don't if you don't have the knowledge to take care of like those, those issues issue is like you're you know, it can be very a very stressful hobby, real quick. They just fly away.
Alexis Kerver:Expensive and stressful hobby. And you said, buy bees? You can't just grab, you know, like harvest the bees from outside?
Daniel Dunnom:Oh yeah, there's there's, there's, there's people who get their start that way. And that's probably one of the better ways to start because it doesn't, I mean, you're just like getting the boxes and the frames and stuff but you can go catch swarms, and you can get put on a list to go catch them. And sometimes they're like really easy where you can just like cut a branch and grab the swarm and away you go. And then sometimes it's like, oh, it's in a wall or a ceiling or up on the third story on the overhang or, you know, so like, they're not always easy to get. And, and sometimes, like, it takes a lot out of the bees catching them.
Alexis Kerver:There's a lot of potential challenges and and, you know, with maintaining the environmental conditions of the box and the health of the bees, that you could really compromise that whole swarm without that foundational knowledge. Are there classes around? You're in Puna. So what are some classes on Big Island that you know about for folks that would be interested in beekeeping?
Daniel Dunnom:I've been I've been wanting to do classes for a while I haven't I haven't gotten any any going so far. But I'm working on it. I always got to give a shout out to UH, they got a really good certificate program. And it's pretty, thorough. So that gives people like a good solid foundation to start. But also just yeah, just working for a beekeeper and like getting, because commercial, like the stuff, you know, that I learned at the university. And then I worked for a commercial beekeeper. And it's like, night and day, totally different. So like learning both was really important. So yeah, but just for backyard. Yeah, I mean, you know, you donʻt need to know like know full scale, like commercial kind of stuff.
Alexis Kerver:If any listeners on on Big Island are interested, they can come work with you. They can come do an internship with you.
Daniel Dunnom:Otherwise, yeah, my friend, Susan Hammer Collins. She does be classes and she's a really great teacher and she's up in Honokaʻa. And she does some hands on classes. And they're fairly inexpensive and she's got all the equipment, which is which is nice not having to get it shipped here. And then like she's got the suits. Her business is called the Bird and Bee Hawaii. And it's and it's it's nice to be able to go and try on the suit and make sure it's because like I've gotten all kinds of like suits that I've ordered and yeah, the ones that I've got from her have been the best because they you know try them on they fit. She gets good suits that, you know, you can't get stung through so that's how he's a plus. Kind of discouraging if you get stung through your suit. And yeah, I've had I've had ones that have got stung through so
Alexis Kerver:How many times have you once done
Daniel Dunnom:How many times Oh, like at this point probably like in the 1000s after doing it for Yeah, yeah, probably get stung a good. Each time I beekeep I probably gets stung once or twice at least. So
Alexis Kerver:the bees die when they sting you right?
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah, Most of the time it like happens like you know like you know I'll be like extracting honey and I won't have my suit on I'll be in the house you know not by the bees but one of the will be stuck in there and I like step on it or something or like I'll have a bee that like hung on to me and like go to wipe my neck or something and like oh I squashed her and like now she's stung me but they say like bee stings are good for you, apitherapy. and a lot of people with like arthritis and like other chronic pain will sting themselves to like boost their immune response and people swear by it. I mean, there's just as many people who say like you're crazy, you know, but there's people that it really works for them. And
Alexis Kerver:Thatʻs called apitherapy?
Daniel Dunnom:Apitherapy Yeah. Yeah, it sounds a lot nicer than bee venom therapy. If youʻre like theyʻre like "bee venom no" but you say apitherapy and there like oh apitherapy, what's that?
Alexis Kerver:Have you used it? Or have you intentionally tried to heal certain ailments in your body with that?
Daniel Dunnom:It seems like the bees have some kind of like, sense where theyʻll just sting me.
Alexis Kerver:Theyʻre like,"your neck is messed up. I'm gonna sing you right here!"
Daniel Dunnom:Right and I'm like, Yeah, so when I get stung, like, I have, like, a more positive self talk thing about it, where I'm just like, oh, yeah, I must have needed a sting there. You know, oh, thank you. Oh, my girls. Oh, they love me, you know. But I definitely noticed, like, like, some, you know, when I get stung like it, it you know, those little like, nagging kind of pains and like joints and stuff like that, it it, it goes away. So, I believe in the power of the bee sting. And that's why a lot of people think that like beekeepers, like live a long time, is because they're getting stung. Well, and then all the honey and beeswax and propolis and all the other products of the hive. But I think the main thing is, is getting stung.
Alexis Kerver:Do you just make honey or do you do any value added products with your honey?
Daniel Dunnom:Um, with the honey, I make mead. I'm not like on a commercial level with it yet but and then for those who don't know, mead is honey wine. So I do make a little bit of that just just for my my personal consumption at this point. But it's something that I'm interested in going commercial with in the future. And then yeah, there's, there's just quite a few people out there that are, you know, thinking about doing that, too. So, so, you know, hopefully, hopefully I can get it going before they do.
Alexis Kerver:Or maybe you guys all come together and make the first Hawaii Mead, Premium Mead.
Daniel Dunnom:Right, I would love to do it like that, you know, and like, because there's so many different kinds of honey from all over the island, like the possibilities of different mead flavors are endless. So yeah, it would be yeah, I've kind of thought about doing it like that, like a sustainable cooperative type where, you know, we all have, like, you know, a central location, we can bring our honeys and like ferment them and, you know, get them served to people and have it all be legit, and you know, have it all shipped out to all around the world. I think that'd be a great way to market our honey. You're on the because yeah, we got some good honey, I think it's the best in the world. And a lot of people agree with me, but
Alexis Kerver:If folks want to buy your honey, if folks want to buy your honey, are you do you have an online store? Or are you only selling at markets? And if so, which markets and what days? Are you there so folks can come support you?
Daniel Dunnom:I'm so I'm at Makuʻu Market every Sunday and then I have been doing Volcano market on Thursday nights from from three to six. And then the other markets are kind of hit or miss but you know, sometimes I make it to the other ones. Like I'm always looking toward, you know, getting into other ones or you know, trying this one every so often. But the two main ones right now are Makuʻu market and then the Volcano one on Thursdays. And then I don't I don't have an online store at the moment but I am working on it. But it's kind of a slow process but I do do mail order. And then yeah, if you just if you just get a hold of me my email or like my phone number like I can ship honey out anywhere. And yeah, I'd be glad to send honey wherever. But I don't have an onlinen store yet.
Alexis Kerver:Weʻll include your, weʻll Include your email address with this with this podcast in the description so that folks can reach out to you. We have viewers all over the world, so.
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah?
Alexis Kerver:Yeah, and this is this is really exciting to do this podcast with you now in your state in your current stage. It'll be exciting to watch you blossom, no pun intended, over the years, and see and see what comes out with this growth. And there's a lot of opportunity here for you even to help steward this, this coalition of, of bee farmers and mead makers and you know, it's very inspiring to hear your story and, and how passionate you are and the relationships that you have with these bees. It helps me walk outside to see my huge swarm of bees with a new light if I can just enter that space thinking that I'm a flower, maybe, maybe they'll respond differently to me.
Daniel Dunnom:Did you get a swarm of bees at your place?
Alexis Kerver:Yeah, I've been meaning to reach out to you about that. There's so many I am in a Lehua forest. They're everywhere. So my problem is with the puppies. Itʻs that I also have these puppies and one of them's already been stung twice. And he's he completely swells up. Yeah, yeah. So and, you know, they they try to chase them and they don't understand.
Daniel Dunnom:Oh, my, my dog does that she's a regular honey hound. But so like the bees get in the house, she'll chase them. And yeah, sheʻll get stung.
Alexis Kerver:so it just kind of is what it is. And I think that's what that's you know, would you agree that that's a secret to farming is sometimes when things happen, you just have to go with it. There's, when we're trying to have control over these situations weʻre really just driving ourselves crazy.
Daniel Dunnom:Oh, right. Right. Yeah. Like, Oh, am I gonna be able to stop this dog from going by my beehives? Probably not. But like, I think she'll learn her lesson eventually, you know, and she has, you know, so. Yeah.
Alexis Kerver:Awesome. Daniel, thank you so much for your time. Is there any last things that you'd like to leave our listeners with? Some piece of advice for a peace of mind?
Daniel Dunnom:Um, I don't know. But maybe I could, maybe I could share with everybody how to do a little meditation technique called Bee Breath.
Alexis Kerver:Bee Breath. I love it. Letʻs do it!
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah. Okay. So what you do is, if you ever like have like racing thoughts, or you just want to like clear your mind really, really fast. It's a technique called Bee Breath. And what you do is you take a deep breath through your nose, into the bottom of your stomach. And then when you go to let it out, you let it out through your mouth, any buzz like a bee. But you also at the same time, close your eyes and plug your ears. So it's like, the vibrations all in your head. Right? And so I'll do it. So Iʻm taking a deep breath... [buzzing] Yeah, itʻs just so rushing
Alexis Kerver:you feel like it vibrating the molecules in your body.
Daniel Dunnom:It's like a great way to reset and then if your real stressed out just do two three of them, you know, and it's like, whoa. I like to do that. Like before I get to my bees it kind of like gets all that like, you know, yucky energy off of me and I can, you know, get in there and do my thing. It's great to do.
Alexis Kerver:Can we do that together? Can we do a couple buzz breaths. Will you guide me through it? And then our listeners can follow in.
Daniel Dunnom:Okay. All right. So should I explain it or just do it?
Alexis Kerver:Both? Yeah.
Daniel Dunnom:All right. So I'll take a deep, well, and the other thing is like when you plug your ears you like pull on your lobe a little bit and then plug yours. I'm not sure it's like some kind of point or something.
Alexis Kerver:So plug your ears and pull.
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah, so you like you're doing like this? Yeah, I forgot about that at first.
Alexis Kerver:Oh, wow. That amplifies the buzz in my brain.
Daniel Dunnom:Yeah, yeah, it's like okay, I'll do it.[buzzing]
Alexis Kerver:Amazing. It really reset the body completely. What a powerful tool. You might have to have you record a five minute guided buzzbee breath. That would be an incredible resource. Especially for our farmers, you know, that's speaking their language.
Daniel Dunnom:Right? Yeah. I think I think I might have to do something like that I've been, I've been thinking about doing little videos like, you know, little farming videos. You know.
Alexis Kerver:I'll reach out to you and we'll make that connection. We'll make that happen.
Daniel Dunnom:Right.
Alexis Kerver:Wonderful. Daniel, thank you so much again for your time. It was great chatting with you and having you here in this space. And we look forward to watching your journey.
Daniel Dunnom:All right, thank you so much. And thank you for having me. It's it's been it's been a pleasure. And yeah, I look forward to talking to you again.
Alexis Kerver:Aloha!
Daniel Dunnom:Aloha!
Thao:We want to thank our guests for their generosity and Manado. We also want to thank all our ag producers throughout the islands, and especially those we have heard on the podcast for discussing ways they address the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual dimensions of Hawaii ag production. Each story each voice contributes to a broader understanding of what it takes to survive and thrive as we feed our communities, wherever you may find yourself within our island agricultural economies. If you would like to share your story in our podcast, please contact us. Thank you for listening to the seeds of well being voices from the field podcast featuring their perspectives of ag producers throughout the Hubei islands. If you have found it helpful, please follow like and share this episode with others. And if you have any ideas about how we can make it better, please let us know in the comments or use the link on our website. Mahalo for tuning in.